LOST Poll : Side Kicks

I watched the episode ” The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham” again last night. And ya know what? Still can’t tell what is going on with Ben and Widmore! “The wrong side will win” … “I won’t let you die” … “He’s just using you”. Who’s lying? Ben? Charles? Both? Neither? Ahhh!!!

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    izikavazo said,

    That is a rough quandry. There are just so many valid points on both sides.

  2. 2

    christyintx said,

    Good question, which is why it is one of the most-debated topics.
    Hmmmm…. I think they both believe that they are on the good side of a war in which the stakes are so high they believe that the ends justifies their ruthless means. Really, it is similar to the Swan Hatch in that they have total faith that what they are doing is necessary (for humankind – or ‘God help us all’), but it is unclear to us (and possibly one or both of them) what they are trying to prevent or cause.
    I guess since I think they each believe they are light, they both are light, but with a very dark shade of gray for Ben (and maybe Widmore, although other than being a jerk to Desmond I cannot recall anything sinister he has done since leaving the island at this moment – wait, I remember he supposedly was going to have the freighties kill the survivors once Ben was apprehended, ok, that is pretty bad, but not any worse than anything Ben has done) in regards to his justification of his actions for his side of the ‘war’.

    I think if Widmore were really sinister he would have been banished from the island for something more substantial than having relations with a non-Other off island.
    Then again, the Smoke Monster let Ben live (long enough to follow DeadLocke’s orders to kill Jacob) after his judgment.

    Actually, I do remember another sinister thing Widmore did, he was actually the leader at the time of the purge, so although we see Ben’s role in the purge, and it appears to be his orders, it was not, because he did not become the leader until the Others took over the Barracks, which was obviously after the Purge.
    OK, I’m getting a headache, I guess I should have just left a multiple choice answer, huh?

  3. 4

    Wray said,

    Yeah, and after Season 5, I don’t know if we will EVER find out!

  4. 5

    Karell said,

    I think both Ben & Widmore think they are on the light side, but that the truth is each one is only out for himself. Neither good nor bad, just personal.

  5. 6

    mswendy said,

    It’s good to see that I’m not the only one totally boggled by this. 😀

  6. 7

    Friggen Italian said,

    I also believe they both think they are on the “good” side. However, both have committed some pretty bad things… Ben’s are most obvious, since we have seen so much more of him. Widmore is tougher… but remember Ben showing John the video of Widmore murdering someone. Then he also desecrated a mass grave just to create one of the biggest hoaxes of all time (the supposed crash of 815 into the ocean, landing on the bottom of the ocean floor).

    Either way, I can’t say that they are dark, since they both believe they are doing what needs to be done by “whatever means necessary”. I also can’t say they are both light after all they have done.

    They definitely have issues tho!

    • 8

      mswendy said,

      Hi Friggen Italian,

      That is what has been so unbelievable about how they write this show. Years later… still can’t tell for certain. So far, they tend to give us bits and pieces of what they want us to “feel” about characters, then will turn it around on us with what has been left on the cutting room floor, Jin being one of the first examples of this technique. But is Frank Lapidus right that “The ones who say ” We’re the good guys” tend to be the bad guys”?

      Right now, completely and utterly confused… and still liking it…lol 🙂

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    keystolost said,

    I think the case to be made for there are no sides is a good one – but you have to look at that darn word choice – and those darn words light and dark (one side). I voited there are no sides, because within both characters we’ve seen tendancies towards both – this may turn out differently as the final season plays out (the battle within each of our characters resolve one way or the other for the final time as the ‘loop’ of humanities potential is broken to leave each person’s last act or choice, the side on which they fall).

  8. 10

    mswendy said,

    Hi Matt,

    Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if they “save the best for last” and keep the sides issue ambiguous until the last possible moment. It’s hard to dismiss ” Two players…two sides” speech by Locke, with backgammon as his example. But unlike pieces on a board that have no say or knowledge of where they are placed or who’s placing them there, like Daniel said, people are the variable. However, if who/what was playing the game knew ahead what “moves” (choices), the “pieces” (people ) made ahead of time, they would already know who was on the their “side”.

    Oh, boy… I think I just made it harder for myself… 😀

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